Sydney vs Melbourne equals LA vs NY

Melbourne, “A whole city full of people addicted to glitz.” Is that a Joke???
I thought we were supposed to be “Bleak City”? Make your mind up, your contradictions are exposing the myths. It took many long years to create those myths about Melbourne, careful you don’t unravel them now Herring.

I think “Bleak City” was meant to refer to the relentless dull cloudy days (without rain) for so many months of the year. Also, those evil black stone churches are some of the bleakest things on the face of the planet.

And, Oben, I don’t think promoting graffiti artists helps give the impression that some Melbourne people may be interested in natural beauty!

The other day the news papers have announced that Melbourne is now Australia’s tourist number 1 hot spot! With tourists people from NSW scared of losing there tourists to Melbourne! lol! But Sydney airport is much bigger than Melbourne’s and does get more airlines and passengers, but Melbourne is upgrading with a $300 million expansion to T2 & possibly T4 for Jetstar & Tiger Airways. One more thing!
> Melbourne takes nothing for GRANTED!!!

Yeah thats true because BHP, Rio Tinto & NAB are all based in Melbourne. But then BHP & Rio Tinto will merge and become the Largest Australian Company and will be based in Melbourne. Wasn’t the Reserve Bank of Australia in Melbourne once?

It’s an ancient tradition… Just let it continue

Isn’t if funny how Melbourne likes to boast about things which make it worse!

“Our population is growing much faster than Sydney’s because people know it’s a better place to live.” And now the public transport system is in a state of chaos, and traffic is now worse than Sydney in many areas, because Melbourne can’t handle the population increase.

“We have much less rain than Sydney” Yeah, and now Melbourne is desperately short of water with less than 30% capacity, and planning to increase restrictions, while Sydney is reducing them.

Melbourne wants the whole world to come & live in or visit Melbourne, just to prove to itself that it is great, thereby making it the World’s Most Unliveable City.

Why are they so self-conscious? Sydney doesn’t feel the need to boast.

Thanks for making your voice “heared” !!

uh ho…. Mercer report…. Hmmm now its going to be the Melbourne vs Auckland chip

Ed why are you lamenting “wet”, when wet is what Melbourne needs right now more than anything!!

(apart from a beach that is)

Just like to say that the Yarra is a mud pit hole with murky water.

And who’s ever heard of Eureka and Realito or whatever tower??? (in other words no one gives a shit)

I was born in Perth and I grew up in Sydney and I have worked in Melbourne (and the Latrobe Valley) and am glad I moved to the outskirts of quiet old Brisbane. I think comparing Melbourne with Sydney is much the same as comparing Sodom with Gamorrah. I don’t wish to bring my children up in the gay centre of the universe or the drug capital of the south Pacific. I love the green open spaces of acreage living in a temperate rainforest environment with the pristine northern NSW and Gold coast beaches an hours drive away to the east and the cool mountains and forests a leisurely hours drive south and west where there are clean and clear waters of picturesque rivers and brooks, and wildlife amidst a rural setting. I wouldn’t trade my life and environment for all the culture in Melbourne or all the vistas of Sydney. Both cities have their attractions to different people, but both have their detractions to others. I don’t class myself as being Western Australian or a New South Welshman or a queenslande. I am an Australian first and foremost and am proud of my country and all it has to offer.

You obviously didn’t understand my point. The rest of the country has much more to offer culturally, spiritually and visually than the two southern cesspits you are arguing over. I don’t suggest for one second that you, or others like you should move from the small minded rivalry between Sodom and Gamorrah and expand your horizons (and minds) to pollute the rest of this beautiful and remarkable country. As I said, pal, I am not a Queenslander or a Victorian or any other state oriented person. I am Australian, and that encompasses all states and cities. And just for the record, from my point of view, Sydney was first and there is no prize for second.

Damn, fixed the spelling mistake too late! That’s what you get when you drink a dozen VB’s in 3 hours, dammit! Shit, I gotta go to work tomorrow. Nighty night!

Having divided my life equally between them and moved between them several times, I think I can be impartial.
Sydneysiders typically think Melburnians have a chip on their shoulders about Sydney, but in my experience the reverse is true. Most Melburnians go for weeks or months without Sydney even entering their thoughts. But Sydneysiders seem to feel the need to assert loudly and aggressively at frequent intervals “they haven’t got anything as good as THIS in Melbourne!”
And any suggestion that problems such as traffic, public transport, costs etc are worse in Sydney, is invariably met with the all-purpose excuse “But you have to expect that because Sydney is SO MUCH BIGGER than Melbourne!” which they expect to end the conversation. Newsflash guys, Sydney is only 5 or 10% bigger, and on current growth rates Melbourne will again be bigger than Sydney in about 15 years. But in the minds of most Sydneysiders Sydney is about 200 or 300% the size of Melbourne.

Melbourne is definitely more “livable”. It is much easier to get around and has a far less sharp geographical division between rich and poor and between “Anglos” and “ethnics”.
Melbourne has a diverse and eclectic range of attractions which it is constantly working to improve upon. Sydney seems to think it can trade forever on its beautiful harbour and beaches, bridge, opera house and the 2000 Olympics. Great, but you need to be a millionaire to live anywhere near the harbour, and the vast majority of Sydneysiders rarely see it. It’s about the same travel time from Melbourne city to the southern surf beaches, as from Sydney city to Sydney’s northern beaches. Bondi is pretty close to the city, but it’s unbearably crowded, fiendishly expensive and the parking is a nightmare. And Bondi and the other Eastern beaches may as well be on the dark side of the moon to most Sydneysiders as it takes so long to get there and back. The one beach which is accessible by (a long trip on) public transport, Cronulla, was the scene of the race riots. And just about everywhere on the coast of Australia has got great beaches, there’s nothing special about the Sydney ones.
And even when Sydney had the 2000 Olympics most Sydneysiders did nothing but whinge about it. Now after 8 years of nothing much, they have finally managed to score another major event in World Youth Day, and they’re whinging about that even more.

Melbourne has fewer days suitable for swimming outdoors. But in Sydney for 8 months of the year you can’t go for a short walk without coming back with your clothes saturated with sweat. Ugh. As for cycling in Sydney – forget it, unless you’re an Olympic athlete or have a death wish (or both, as some discovered recently).

And for the record, the Yarra is not polluted. (Unlike Sydney Harbour especially after rain when Sydney’s antiquated sewers overflow.) Like the Tiber and many other famous rivers, the Yarra has always been dark brown-coloured right from its pristine mountain sources due to the natural earth suspended in it.

And as for the “evil black stone churches”?? Who are you, Malac, a Satanist or something? I LOVE Melbourne’s beautiful old BLUE stone churches and other buildings. They seem so much more calm, inspiring and solid than Sydney’s sandstone ones.
And I love the fact that Melbourne parks, gardens and streets have deciduous trees so you can enjoy all four seasons, including winter when there are no leaves to block the sun’s warmth and light. And Malac, I would not describe “relentless cloudy days (without rain) for so many months of the year” as “bleak” but as just about perfect weather for outdoor sports and activities..

Thanks, Darkhawk, I’m sure your pointless blind bigotry is somehow very illuminating to the question we’re discussing. Not.
And no, being drunk is no excuse for vilifying religious minorities.

26% of Australians are Catholics. From what I recall of my primary school maths lessons, that means 74% of Australians are non-Catholics, and that Catholics are clearly a minority. You didn’t offend me, just wasted my time by posting irrelevant nonsense.

I was born and bred in melbourne but moved to sydney in Aug 99. Since moving my family up here, i have not looked backed since.

When Sydney organises an event, they put on the biggest show that the whole world will see. Sydney does it alot better than melbourne does hands down no doubt about it.

In the past when sydney was still growing, it was looking abit like melbourne, dull and depressing. So, the planners decided to give it more vibe, life and colour. Sydney is in a class of its own, it doesnt copy other nations by their heritage, lifestyle and fake attitude. But, as for Melbourne it hasnt really got an identity, rather call themselves as a European city, come back to mother earth Melbournians! your in OZ not Europe. DUUUUUH.

Sydney is no doubt the financial capital city in oz, as the article would state below.

Melbournes traffic is also terrible during peak hour periods, Sydney is a big city and of course the traffic will be chaotic.

“Having gained ascendancy over Melbourne during the late 20th century, Sydney is now established as the corporate and financial capital of Australia, and is also a very important financial centre in the Asia-Pacific.[5] Sydney has the largest economy in Australia, and there is dispute over the second largest economy between western Sydney and Australia’s second biggest city, Melbourne. Sydney is home to the headquarters of the Australian Stock Exchange and the Reserve Bank of Australia. Of the 54 authorised deposit-taking banks with operations in Australia, 44 are based in Sydney. This includes nine of the 11 foreign subsidiary banks in Australia and all of the 29 local branches of foreign banks. Major authorised foreign banks in Sydney include Citigroup, UBS Australia, Mizuho Corporate Bank, HSBC Bank Australia and Deutsche Bank. Other global banks have established highly successful back office operations in Sydney. Of the top 20 global banks, 17 have operations in Sydney, NSW state government July 2006. This translates as every single foreign bank has its headquarters in Sydney, excluding one and almost 50% of all Australian owned banks are headquartered in Sydney. Sydney also serves as the regional headquarters for numerous multinational corporations. 20th Century Fox has large Sydney studios. Sydney’s CBD is the largest in Australia and also has plenty of satellite cities. One notable Satellite city is Parramatta, which is bigger than some state capital cities, making it Australia’s sixth largest city, succeeding Adelaide.

Sydney city extends over the harbour bridge, forming North Sydney, a continuation of the CBD; however is considered its own city, adding to the numerous satellite cities in Sydney. North Sydney has a large economy; however it tends to have a high vacancy rate. Just a few kilometres north of North Sydney, is Sydney’s third largest satellite city, Chatswood. Chatswood’s main economy is retail and is home to many highrise buildings, with its own recogniseablee skyline”.

Just because Melbourne has the big “4″ banks, they are nothing compared to what sydney has. Melbourne had the 1956 olympic games “WOOOOPEEEEE” , Sydney brought the olympics in the new millenium. Whilst on the olympic games, sydney showed the world about OZ and this nations heritage, where as Melbourne in the Commonwealth games 2006 showed the world about their arts, cafe culture BOOOOORIIIIING!!!!.

I for one think melbournians are too worried about sydney too much and cant get on with life.

Melbourne get an identity and stop calling yourselves a “European City”, theres already a Europe and your never going to be like them.

Mate, I’m not even going to respond to that joke. Mine made sence, not yours. If you did come out with something intentionally humourous (I did laugh at your joke, but not because it was funny), and it was good, I would appreciate it. Unfortunately, you’re an idiot. And don’t assume I didn’t know that the event was going ahead anyway, it only made the news because Nazi boy was there.

As for “Melbourne Born”, what were you trying to prove with that name? I’m Sydney born and have many connections with that city, but you don’t hear me using that as some sort of qualification that my opinion matters. You have made many assumptions that Sydney people make about Melbourne’s identity and they are rubbish. What sport do you guys mainly follow? AFL is an Aussie institution but you Yanks (if you’re gonna call us Mexicans) can’t embrace it because it was invented in Victoria. Is that showing the Aussie spirit? And your article says nothing about where the better place to live and visit is, does it? By your reasoning Canberra is the greatest city in Australia because it has Parliament House and the majority of “National” monuments, museums, etc (which don’t compare to what Sydney and Melbourne have). So what, I’ve never heard a good thing about the place (except for the availability of porn and fireworks!). Sydney is full of arseholes and the only good people you meet are probably visiting from interstate.

As for the Olympics, Melbourne’s has a lasting legacy, it is known as the ‘Friendly Games” because it was the first time all nations came together in the closing ceremony, a tradition still held today. What did the Sydney Olympics introduce? Nikki Webster! Also, our events kick the shit out of Sydney’s, you couldn’t even keep the A1, let alone poach the F1 Grand Prix! Melbourne is known for its events , culture, art, sport and food. Sydney is known for a sub-standard opera house and a bridge

Yes, Darkhawk, that’s exactly my point. Your supposed “joke” is unfunny and nonsensical, whether the target for vilification is Catholics, Melburnians or any other minority. It tells us a lot about you though, none of it good.

I’m such an arsehole!

Yes, you did say it better (see, I can be humble), but it needed reiterating (and shortened) before I put forward my formula! Plus I needed to say something to not make my post completely irrelevant.

I also told you not to throw petrol on the fire, obviously something “you didn’t notice”! Therefore:

So you say the Catholic church’s “only power” is in it’s following. Are you retarded or something? The whole organisation is just the Roman Empire with another name. Catholic means ‘universal’, which is what Constantine (the Roman Emperor) made his new ‘church’ by bastardising pure christianity with pagan beliefs (one tiny example, 25th December is the celebration of the Sun god’s birth, if being close to the northern winter solstice wasn’t enough of a clue) so that he could reinforce his rule over the empire. You might as well call the pope Ceaser (Pontius, Pontif, same shit)! It is now, as an organisation, the largest property owner in the world and I have heard of people who have visited Vatican City (a coincidence it is situated in Rome?) and been sickened by its display of wealth. Throughout history world governments have had to consult the church before taking any action, with the threat of losing power a consequence. What greater power is there than that in this world?

As for the gross sexual behavior, what research do I need to do? I read an article about an Australian priest who would act out sexual rituals with a boy telling him that satan was good and god was bad. WHAT SORT OF FUCKING ARSEHOLE WOULD DO THAT? I know that they aren’t the only sick bastards in the world but this is not an isolated incident, you read about it all the time! Does the church aplologise? Only after a lot of public outcry, and even then it feels forced. The worst thing about the Catholic Church, though, is that they say they represent God, but teach lies about Him and the bible and set a bad example by doing FUCKED UP SHIT!

Can you understand my hatred now? The catholic church is not my only enemy, there are many bastard religions and organisations that abuse their power (Microsoft), but we are only discussing these sick bastards, so I won’t go into that.

And yes, I do have ‘guts’ because I never tried to hide behind such words as ‘vilification’ and ‘bigot’ to take the moral high-ground. Everything I am saying is well informed and factual but you come back and say ‘maybe you should do some research on blah-de-fuckn-blah’ just because you’ve swallowed some shit fed to you to keep you in line with the church (I’m assuming you have an affiliation with them because you are defending them, why would you otherwise?). I can take the insults and personal attacks, no one gives a shit if you think I’m an arsehole, at least I know that someone will read this and at least question whether what they know about God is actually the truth.

This isn’t about you or me, mate, this is much bigger, so quit with the “shows what sort of person you are” crap. You don’t know me from a bar of soap, so calling me an arsehole (yes, I know you haven’t used that word but you are definately implying that) makes you look like a presumptuous prick.

MELBOURNE IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN SYDNEY!!! At least I can stick to the subject (now who’s posting irrelevant nonsence?).

ROFLOL!

No, the greatest fact that I stated was that you are a “presumptuous prick”. You can laugh, but you can’t hide! LOL

” I can take the insults and personal attacks, no one gives a shit if you think I’m an arsehole” means that I’m not “furious” about you calling me one. And you accuse me of overlooking details. SHIT HOT, I found another beer! Bye…

I’m certain of all of it, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it! But, just to humour you, I shall pick the origins of the church itself. And the 25th December thing.