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		<title>By: Esoteric Rabbit Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Could It Be?</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2007/08/are-old-media-reviewers-competing-with-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-43082</link>
		<dc:creator>Esoteric Rabbit Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Could It Be?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Charles, &#039;Are old media reviewers competing with bloggers?&#039;, Tomato: Today both Stephen Downes in the Herald Sun and John Lethlean in The Age review Nobu which [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2007/08/are-old-media-reviewers-competing-with-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-12629</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jilly Cooper ...we should get him together with Mrs Tomato</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jilly Cooper &#8230;we should get him together with Mrs Tomato</p>
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		<title>By: stickyfingers</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2007/08/are-old-media-reviewers-competing-with-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-12628</link>
		<dc:creator>stickyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved your latest CityPod video dissertation on food blogging and on &#039;the F-Word&#039;. Unlike you I think Papa Stickyfingers embraces the F-Word because he loves the whole Jilly Cooper-ness of it all - eeew!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved your latest CityPod video dissertation on food blogging and on &#8216;the F-Word&#8217;. Unlike you I think Papa Stickyfingers embraces the F-Word because he loves the whole Jilly Cooper-ness of it all &#8211; eeew!</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2007/08/are-old-media-reviewers-competing-with-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-11242</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed: I wasn&#039;t saying anthing had changed as a result of that case - just responding to Goldie&#039;s curiosity about defamation issues. Mind you, &#039;opinion isn&#039;t defamation&#039; doesn&#039;t prevent worrisome legal threats and actual litigation, so bloggers don&#039;t get to relax about it... especially if social media were to reach the heights that you feel are coming. (And it&#039;s worth noting that most restaurant-reviewing cybernauts don&#039;t choose their words carefully to distinguish &#039;opinion&#039; from &#039;representation as fact&#039;.)

Stickyfingers: couldn&#039;t agree more. The print media reviewers are cheap targets given the professional constraints and standards -- things that few bloggers worry a hell of a lot about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed: I wasn&#8217;t saying anthing had changed as a result of that case &#8211; just responding to Goldie&#8217;s curiosity about defamation issues. Mind you, &#8216;opinion isn&#8217;t defamation&#8217; doesn&#8217;t prevent worrisome legal threats and actual litigation, so bloggers don&#8217;t get to relax about it&#8230; especially if social media were to reach the heights that you feel are coming. (And it&#8217;s worth noting that most restaurant-reviewing cybernauts don&#8217;t choose their words carefully to distinguish &#8216;opinion&#8217; from &#8216;representation as fact&#8217;.)</p>
<p>Stickyfingers: couldn&#8217;t agree more. The print media reviewers are cheap targets given the professional constraints and standards &#8212; things that few bloggers worry a hell of a lot about.</p>
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		<title>By: Stickyfingers</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2007/08/are-old-media-reviewers-competing-with-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-11227</link>
		<dc:creator>Stickyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel uncomfortable about the attacks on writers of establishment food media. As I have said before, many things are beyond their control in the pursuit of an income in that field.

We live in litigious times. Comments will be watered down as a consequence by all but the bravest publications who prefer controversy to no publicity at all. Blogs have opened the path of outspoken opinion, lessening the necessity for print media to opine pugnaciously.

Food Guides may be edited by people interstate who have not visited the venue recently but have pre-conceived ideas, which they affirm no matter what the scribe may have assessed on their visit.

John, if you&#039;re reading this, since you appeared on &#039;My restaurant Rules&#039; as you know, it is virtually impossible for you to experience a restaurant meal in the way that the average customer would. For many of us who have followed your recommendations, we now often experience something quite different, whether better or worse. It must be tough for you, perhaps a dip into Ruth Reichl&#039;s bag of tricks is in order - a funny moustache and polyester safari suit could come in handy?

Coming from a snap-happy family of Bon Vivants who have always photographed their food on special occasions, I have never been stopped from snapping away at the procelain with a macro lens. I was however stopped in a Saigon KFC taking photos of Mr Stickyfingers as we retreated from the 40degree heat into their arctic aircon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel uncomfortable about the attacks on writers of establishment food media. As I have said before, many things are beyond their control in the pursuit of an income in that field.</p>
<p>We live in litigious times. Comments will be watered down as a consequence by all but the bravest publications who prefer controversy to no publicity at all. Blogs have opened the path of outspoken opinion, lessening the necessity for print media to opine pugnaciously.</p>
<p>Food Guides may be edited by people interstate who have not visited the venue recently but have pre-conceived ideas, which they affirm no matter what the scribe may have assessed on their visit.</p>
<p>John, if you&#8217;re reading this, since you appeared on &#8216;My restaurant Rules&#8217; as you know, it is virtually impossible for you to experience a restaurant meal in the way that the average customer would. For many of us who have followed your recommendations, we now often experience something quite different, whether better or worse. It must be tough for you, perhaps a dip into Ruth Reichl&#8217;s bag of tricks is in order &#8211; a funny moustache and polyester safari suit could come in handy?</p>
<p>Coming from a snap-happy family of Bon Vivants who have always photographed their food on special occasions, I have never been stopped from snapping away at the procelain with a macro lens. I was however stopped in a Saigon KFC taking photos of Mr Stickyfingers as we retreated from the 40degree heat into their arctic aircon.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan, I don&#039;t think that case has changed anything - it is just a legal process right now and nothing has changed in defamation. In reality any action costs so much that it is hardly worth chasing a blogger but sometimes worth chasing a large media company. Most legal letters are merely a form of negotiation. And remember opinion isn&#039;t defamation.
Mathew, I was disappointed for Auberon that he never got to eat koala. Nice quote.
Greg, that&#039;s quite funny. Sometimes people give me strange looks. It will be interesting to see who it was. You are right there is more immediacy and the main reviewers only have 50 opportunities a year to review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan, I don&#8217;t think that case has changed anything &#8211; it is just a legal process right now and nothing has changed in defamation. In reality any action costs so much that it is hardly worth chasing a blogger but sometimes worth chasing a large media company. Most legal letters are merely a form of negotiation. And remember opinion isn&#8217;t defamation.<br />
Mathew, I was disappointed for Auberon that he never got to eat koala. Nice quote.<br />
Greg, that&#8217;s quite funny. Sometimes people give me strange looks. It will be interesting to see who it was. You are right there is more immediacy and the main reviewers only have 50 opportunities a year to review.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking for the right place to post this, and I guess it&#039;s on topic for here. 

Last night I was at VDM for dinner and I noticed a flash go off (only a little one) and I thought nothing of it at the time (it&#039;s mid-week, probably a night out happy snap - even waitstaff at the best restaurants don&#039;t mind taking a pic of the table for you I&#039;m sure).  Then the better half said that the young lady at the table over ny shoulder was taking pictures of the food.  She thought this was a little odd and asked if I thought it was apropriate or allowed.  When I said that she was probably going to blog about her meal my wife thought that was quite strange (she has no time for internet frivolity).
I imagine she asked and would have been told that it was OK because somewhere like VDM that changes dishes every week or so isn&#039;t going to get reviewed each month so the review that was last done by the Age is, as far as the food is concerned, out of date.  Food blogs, while many are run/owned by amateur reviewers are going to provide access to more current point-in-time reviews.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking for the right place to post this, and I guess it&#8217;s on topic for here. </p>
<p>Last night I was at VDM for dinner and I noticed a flash go off (only a little one) and I thought nothing of it at the time (it&#8217;s mid-week, probably a night out happy snap &#8211; even waitstaff at the best restaurants don&#8217;t mind taking a pic of the table for you I&#8217;m sure).  Then the better half said that the young lady at the table over ny shoulder was taking pictures of the food.  She thought this was a little odd and asked if I thought it was apropriate or allowed.  When I said that she was probably going to blog about her meal my wife thought that was quite strange (she has no time for internet frivolity).<br />
I imagine she asked and would have been told that it was OK because somewhere like VDM that changes dishes every week or so isn&#8217;t going to get reviewed each month so the review that was last done by the Age is, as far as the food is concerned, out of date.  Food blogs, while many are run/owned by amateur reviewers are going to provide access to more current point-in-time reviews.</p>
<p>Gregg</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking for the right place to post this, and I guess it&#039;s on topic for here. 

Last night I was at VDM for dinner and I noticed a flash go off (only a little one) and I thought nothing of it at the time (it&#039;s mid-week, probably a night out happy snap - even waitstaff at the best restaurants don&#039;t mind taking a pic of the table for you I&#039;m sure).  Then the better half said that the young lady at the table over ny shoulder was taking pictures of the food.  She thought this was a little odd and asked if I thought it was apropriate or allowed.  When I said that she was probably going to blog about her meal my wife thought that was quite strange (she has no time for internet frivolity).
I imagine she asked and would have been told that it was OK because somewhere like VDM that changes dishes every week or so is&#039;t going to get reviewed each month so the review that was last done by the Age is, as far as the food is concerned, out of date.  Food blogs, while many are run/owned by amateur reviewers are going to provide access to more current point-in-time reviews.

Gregg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking for the right place to post this, and I guess it&#8217;s on topic for here. </p>
<p>Last night I was at VDM for dinner and I noticed a flash go off (only a little one) and I thought nothing of it at the time (it&#8217;s mid-week, probably a night out happy snap &#8211; even waitstaff at the best restaurants don&#8217;t mind taking a pic of the table for you I&#8217;m sure).  Then the better half said that the young lady at the table over ny shoulder was taking pictures of the food.  She thought this was a little odd and asked if I thought it was apropriate or allowed.  When I said that she was probably going to blog about her meal my wife thought that was quite strange (she has no time for internet frivolity).<br />
I imagine she asked and would have been told that it was OK because somewhere like VDM that changes dishes every week or so is&#8217;t going to get reviewed each month so the review that was last done by the Age is, as far as the food is concerned, out of date.  Food blogs, while many are run/owned by amateur reviewers are going to provide access to more current point-in-time reviews.</p>
<p>Gregg</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Lethlean&#039;s negative reviews aren&#039;t that negative. They&#039;re more, shall we say, indifferent than incensed. He&#039;s far more likely to say &quot;this is not to my personal tastes&quot; than &quot;these people have tried to do me in&quot; (which is over the top, even by my standards). Long gone are the days of food and wine writers who follow in the footsteps of Auberon Waugh: &quot;The writer should never like a wine, he should be in love with it; never find a wine disappointing, but identify it as a mortal enemy, an attempt to poison him.&quot; There are exceptions, of course, but not in this country. This is at once both a good and bad thing. If I ever get a shot at the big time, I&#039;d like to think I could redress that somewhat. Here&#039;s hoping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Lethlean&#8217;s negative reviews aren&#8217;t that negative. They&#8217;re more, shall we say, indifferent than incensed. He&#8217;s far more likely to say &#8220;this is not to my personal tastes&#8221; than &#8220;these people have tried to do me in&#8221; (which is over the top, even by my standards). Long gone are the days of food and wine writers who follow in the footsteps of Auberon Waugh: &#8220;The writer should never like a wine, he should be in love with it; never find a wine disappointing, but identify it as a mortal enemy, an attempt to poison him.&#8221; There are exceptions, of course, but not in this country. This is at once both a good and bad thing. If I ever get a shot at the big time, I&#8217;d like to think I could redress that somewhat. Here&#8217;s hoping.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Goldie: For discussion of defamation issues you could try the links from my brief piece http://www.syrupandtang.com/200706/reviews-and-defamation-australias-current-case/

From previous experience, The Age has been vary wary of anything that might be touchy (reviews of poor local products have been excised from one or two pieces I&#039;ve submitted), but I get the feeling that John Lethlean is being permitted more latitude in recent years (or maybe it&#039;s just coincidental that I&#039;ve been noticing more negative reviews).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Goldie: For discussion of defamation issues you could try the links from my brief piece <a href="http://www.syrupandtang.com/200706/reviews-and-defamation-australias-current-case/" rel="nofollow">http://www.syrupandtang.com/200706/reviews-and-defamation-australias-current-case/</a></p>
<p>From previous experience, The Age has been vary wary of anything that might be touchy (reviews of poor local products have been excised from one or two pieces I&#8217;ve submitted), but I get the feeling that John Lethlean is being permitted more latitude in recent years (or maybe it&#8217;s just coincidental that I&#8217;ve been noticing more negative reviews).</p>
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