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		<title>By: Food media and bloggers drawn to twitter &#124; Tomato</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2007/10/surprise-surprise-old-media-hacks-bag-food-bloggers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-44487</link>
		<dc:creator>Food media and bloggers drawn to twitter &#124; Tomato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cheers. Enter your email address:Delivered by FeedBurnerRemember the days when continually old media bagged food bloggers? The same thing isn&#8217;t happening with Twitter, a cross between texting and direct messaging - [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cheers. Enter your email address:Delivered by FeedBurnerRemember the days when continually old media bagged food bloggers? The same thing isn&#8217;t happening with Twitter, a cross between texting and direct messaging &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2007/10/surprise-surprise-old-media-hacks-bag-food-bloggers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21155</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Squishy, I thin that goes for all of us.</description>
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		<title>By: Amelita (Squishy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amelita (Squishy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blog because I love to share my passion for food with anyone else who wants to join me. I enjoy the food community and it provides an artistic outlet for me. I may not get it right sometimes and other bloggers may not either but the food blogging community is fascinating, inspiring and I get a hell alot more out of it than any magazine or newspaper article. Bloggers also try things that I never see in magazines or on TV, we are the future in food!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blog because I love to share my passion for food with anyone else who wants to join me. I enjoy the food community and it provides an artistic outlet for me. I may not get it right sometimes and other bloggers may not either but the food blogging community is fascinating, inspiring and I get a hell alot more out of it than any magazine or newspaper article. Bloggers also try things that I never see in magazines or on TV, we are the future in food!</p>
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		<title>By: Bloggers banquet on for Monday 12th &#124; Tomato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloggers banquet on for Monday 12th &#124; Tomato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] traffic, photography and all that other stuff. Most importantly we will be able to have our own Out of the Frying Pan discussion on the blogs vs the dead tree [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] traffic, photography and all that other stuff. Most importantly we will be able to have our own Out of the Frying Pan discussion on the blogs vs the dead tree [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2007/10/surprise-surprise-old-media-hacks-bag-food-bloggers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15390</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AOF,
That is true about the GFG although there are a few watered down references. It&#039;s not a bad reference document but is far from reality in most cases. I find the most irrelevant of all is Gourmet Traveller as it is nothing but blowjobs for everybody, presenting an unrealistic idealised version of food where everything is perfect and nothing goes wrong in the kitchen. When I spoke to the editor a couple of years ago she said that as it only publishes 12 times a year they only celebrate what is good.
Bloggers are  the first in and give the public a realistic view. 
I&#039;m quite surprisd that none are blogging yet but I&#039;m told we are three years behind the US and UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AOF,<br />
That is true about the GFG although there are a few watered down references. It&#8217;s not a bad reference document but is far from reality in most cases. I find the most irrelevant of all is Gourmet Traveller as it is nothing but blowjobs for everybody, presenting an unrealistic idealised version of food where everything is perfect and nothing goes wrong in the kitchen. When I spoke to the editor a couple of years ago she said that as it only publishes 12 times a year they only celebrate what is good.<br />
Bloggers are  the first in and give the public a realistic view.<br />
I&#8217;m quite surprisd that none are blogging yet but I&#8217;m told we are three years behind the US and UK.</p>
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		<title>By: another outspoken female</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2007/10/surprise-surprise-old-media-hacks-bag-food-bloggers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15388</link>
		<dc:creator>another outspoken female</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I now find the GFG irrelevent to my dining choices.  Rarely do they say a bad thing about a restaurant and I have found over the years it resembles one big advertorial  No, I soak up what the local blogs I read say about a new place or an old favourite.  They aren&#039;t afraid to give all sides of the story and usually a lot more information than in a standard GFG review.

I don&#039;t care whether &#039;they&#039; don&#039;t get &#039;us&#039; but they might if their sales drop.  In the meantime, we are an unprofessional/subversive group of people who like to eat/cook and share our experiences without heirachy or wankery and I like it that way!  More web users who aren&#039;t bloggers themselves are googling restaurants and finding their ways to blogs because sometimes we get their first over the print media or they like how we say things, or at least that is what I find from my stat counter.  &quot;Fifteen&quot; is a perfect example.  Melbourne bloggers (go Tummy Rumbles, it was you - wasn&#039;t it?)  got there a long time before the usual suspects in the old media published anything.  It was also food bloggers who raised the question, many times, was the Melbourne diner going to pay top dollar for mediocre food?

As for the sticks and stones being flung at us, anyone want to take bets on how long it will be before Lethlean starts his own blog, if for no other reason but to show us how it really should be done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now find the GFG irrelevent to my dining choices.  Rarely do they say a bad thing about a restaurant and I have found over the years it resembles one big advertorial  No, I soak up what the local blogs I read say about a new place or an old favourite.  They aren&#8217;t afraid to give all sides of the story and usually a lot more information than in a standard GFG review.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care whether &#8216;they&#8217; don&#8217;t get &#8216;us&#8217; but they might if their sales drop.  In the meantime, we are an unprofessional/subversive group of people who like to eat/cook and share our experiences without heirachy or wankery and I like it that way!  More web users who aren&#8217;t bloggers themselves are googling restaurants and finding their ways to blogs because sometimes we get their first over the print media or they like how we say things, or at least that is what I find from my stat counter.  &#8220;Fifteen&#8221; is a perfect example.  Melbourne bloggers (go Tummy Rumbles, it was you &#8211; wasn&#8217;t it?)  got there a long time before the usual suspects in the old media published anything.  It was also food bloggers who raised the question, many times, was the Melbourne diner going to pay top dollar for mediocre food?</p>
<p>As for the sticks and stones being flung at us, anyone want to take bets on how long it will be before Lethlean starts his own blog, if for no other reason but to show us how it really should be done?</p>
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		<title>By: Amateur food critics vs the pros &#124; Tomato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amateur food critics vs the pros &#124; Tomato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cookbooks        &#171; Surprise! Surprise! Old media hacks bag food bloggers again [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cookbooks        &laquo; Surprise! Surprise! Old media hacks bag food bloggers again [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2007/10/surprise-surprise-old-media-hacks-bag-food-bloggers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15284</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Rayner takes a good perspective on the subject of amateur vs pro critics here:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2007/10/critiquing_the_critics.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Rayner takes a good perspective on the subject of amateur vs pro critics here:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2007/10/critiquing_the_critics.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2007/10/critiquing_the_critics.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ll never know if Jack&#039;s suspicions about a greater agenda are true. Either way, this was either a cheap throwaway line by Lethlean, or a stupid piece of offensive ignorance. Ed, I&#039;ve tried to be open minded about John and other paper reviewers and we&#039;ve disagreed in comments here... I shall now not bother to defend him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ll never know if Jack&#8217;s suspicions about a greater agenda are true. Either way, this was either a cheap throwaway line by Lethlean, or a stupid piece of offensive ignorance. Ed, I&#8217;ve tried to be open minded about John and other paper reviewers and we&#8217;ve disagreed in comments here&#8230; I shall now not bother to defend him.</p>
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		<title>By: the Gobbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Gobbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At risk of sounding sycophantic I feel its in order to congratulate Big Mattie Preston on his World media award. Not knowing any of the machinnations, back of house deals or politiking that must surely go with this gong, I am just saying that I dig his his writing style. 
Also he does know a thing or two about food.
The fact that he&#039;s a Brit, we&#039;ll I&#039;ll overlook that in the same vein that I overlooked Tatania or Kostya when it mattered, they&#039;re AUSSIES forgodsake!
Seriously I&#039;ll nail my colours to the mast, tip my hat &amp; say &#039;On yer&#039; to Matt. &amp; expect a serve ot two for it. I know this might be especially sensitive but I have to be honest, I dont know the guy, but he is funny. 

Disclaimer: Matt Preston was instrumental to me getting a mention in an award late last year. (a la Necia etc, ha ha!) Batteries not included &amp; dont stand too near an open fame whilst operating mechanism. May contain nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At risk of sounding sycophantic I feel its in order to congratulate Big Mattie Preston on his World media award. Not knowing any of the machinnations, back of house deals or politiking that must surely go with this gong, I am just saying that I dig his his writing style.<br />
Also he does know a thing or two about food.<br />
The fact that he&#8217;s a Brit, we&#8217;ll I&#8217;ll overlook that in the same vein that I overlooked Tatania or Kostya when it mattered, they&#8217;re AUSSIES forgodsake!<br />
Seriously I&#8217;ll nail my colours to the mast, tip my hat &amp; say &#8216;On yer&#8217; to Matt. &amp; expect a serve ot two for it. I know this might be especially sensitive but I have to be honest, I dont know the guy, but he is funny. </p>
<p>Disclaimer: Matt Preston was instrumental to me getting a mention in an award late last year. (a la Necia etc, ha ha!) Batteries not included &amp; dont stand too near an open fame whilst operating mechanism. May contain nuts.</p>
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