Should I gatecrash?
by Ed
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This is one of the funniest things I’ve seen on a blog in quite a while. They have so officiously “uninvited” you. What a scream!
‘respectfully rescind’ – gold!
It’s rather mean-spirited to rescind an invitation, however ‘respectfully’; but I shouldn’t gatecrash if I were you.
I noticed those bowls popping up some time last year. They reminded me of something else.
LOL!
Firstly it should read, “Owing to the article…”
Secondly, how can they get grammar on and invitation wrong?
Thirdly the demonstration of poor attention to detail in the above two items suggests this will be reflected throughout the operation.
Finally, I think you have already reaped revenging posting here. Oh and in that column you do in the age. Oh and perhaps a business article on how sour grapes is not the way to overcome bad business practices!!!
This is very funny indeed. I guess that’s why so many reviewers remain anonymous.
So wait, instead of taking the challenge of having you there and trying to do a better job than previously, they’d rather not have you there at all?
That says a lot about how confident they are with their restaurant.
Wow! All the Ks.
Kalyn, I feel I’ve almost achieved my life’s work and can now depart the world peacefully having been so officiously uninvited.
Kylie, indeed and Gold is becoming more precious by the day in current circumstances.
Kitchenhand, Ah I remember. I too first experienced one of these on the peninsula.
Grocer, I won’t throw stones as I make enough mistakes myself. No, I shall ignore this in my column (in the Hun!) unless I’m desperate.
Ellie, I agree they should face the post – and possible me – head on. I’d probably be quite contrite in person although still have a laugh at the bowls.
Ha! I’ll echo Ellie’s words in saying that such an “uninvitation” is a perfect reflection of how serious they are about their food and their business.
Pfft.
I wouldn’t bother gatecrashing … you’ve done all the good work by publishing Mr van Staden’s charming email here!
Stand by for the next missive!
With the growing importance of social marketing, this seems like a childish response from Gavin.
Ellie got it right, this should be met head on with good humour. Instead we are left wondering about their confidence and ability. Apples and Pears needs a decent Marketing or PR rep by the looks of things.
Rock up with that party kid, Corey & his posse then insist that he be in charge of their PR from now on!
See people DO read blogs Ed!
LOL.
I don’t see the point in going to the opening, seems like we all understand the quality of the restaurant already.
I’m with Grocer, low attention to detail even in their invitation… bet there was also spelling errors on the menu.
Jack
Ouch!
Priceless.
Even better – it would make a lovely corner stone to your talk at the Food Festival – showing just how powerful blogs are if you can get an uninvite!
PS: if you do crash it – take a camcorder as getting turfed out for being a truthful blogger would make great blog fodder.
Thats funny.
I too don’t pick on spelling and grammatical mistakes too much as I make heaps of them myself. But when it is in an official invite, they should really double check it.
I’m going to get my comment picked to parts, but Grocer, when I read your comment
“Secondly, how can they get grammar on and invitation wrong?”
I noticed that you wrote and instead of an.
not a gracious response!
I haven’t blogged yet about my dinner there but food was not bad at all that night. Guess my invitation will not be rescinded!
too funny.
Too too funny.
Don’t go, this is good enough.
Oh dear. That email says it all! I wonder how much business they just lost from bloggers because of the email, rather than your blog article!
Okay, gatecrash it is dressed as Osama Bin Laden.
You can’t gatecrash as Osama, Chaser already did that. Tell me, is this your first ever banning? If it is, you now know how Stephen Downes feels. You should set up you own event, there is some bloke called Corey who could help you out there.
Neil, it is the first banning that I know of. Perhaps I could go dressed as Stephen
A rather bullying approach to hospitality and freedom of speech. Perhaps this is an influence from the totalitarian regime in the country where the parent company is?
Whatever happened to the maxim, all PR is good PR, especially the negative to inspire curiosity?
It’s a poor case of damage control manifesting as sour grapes. Sounds like they need me to do their Marketing and Public Relations.
Tanh, perhaps the “spelling mistake” wasn’t a mistake at all?
Seems I’m going to be the odd-voice-out here. While the disinvitation might be bad PR, I can’t say I’m surprised at the desire to strike back in some way. Ed, your ‘review’ was almost without informative content. By dwelling on the urinal stuff you generated a very negative image which wasn’t supported by the rest of your (briefly relevant) text. To me it looks like a gratuitously cheap shot and exactly the sort of thing that makes the food industry sneer at foodbloggers. To call it a review would be pushing things, wouldn’t it?
Duncan, should a review only be about food? Food is only a tiny part of what this place is about. And I’m not sure what you mean by strike back. I’m just into transparency and a good story. What I crafted is actually a very accurate picture of what the place is about – people drinking after work with some food thrown in for people who feel the need to eat. What exactly do you mean by cheap shot?
Well put Duncan! Ed, your ‘review’ reminded me of AA Gill’s restaurant reviews. Too much time spent trying to be funny, and not enough actually talking about the food. If its primary purpose is as a place to drink after work, you could have written about their drinks list. And what’s with the ‘date rape drug’ joke? Do you really think that’s funny?
If you wrote that about my enterprise I wouldn’t want you at the opening. Good call on his part, you clearly don’t like his space, stay away.
Thanks Blair. Yes, Ed, I think a review should be *primarily* about the food if it’s a restaurant you’re ‘reviewing’. But that notwithstanding, if you are ‘reviewing’ then it requires more than lightweight Gill-esque snideness. I don’t think you told it like it is; I think you had fun putting together text which is fairly uninformative and gives few readers much idea what to expect. The urinal meme, the fictional office workers (including stupid date rape stuff), the breasts… that’s not a review. Cheap shot? Dumping on a place without actually writing about it properly. The place might be crap, I don’t know… but I had no confidence that your ‘review’ was a reliable depiction. If someone did an equally unflattering but unelaborated description of, say, a blogger’s site, you’d be rallying the troops in outrage.
As I said to Gavin in reply “fair enough” – I don’t blame them for univiting me. But if I had turned up I’d taken anything they said on the chin. I did thing the issue is interesting to debate in that all restaurants now need to be media savvy and think carefully how they deal with criticism whether from the traditional or new forms of media.
Blair, I think I’m flattered by the AA Gill comment but any comparisons are unfair on him. You are quite right about the date rape drug – there is nothing funny about it ( or women being groped).
Duncan, who says a review should be just about the food? Could you cite an authority on this? I respectfully gave what the food deserved rather than dump on them in picking each item apart.
1. There were drunk people having afterwork drinks and smoking in the courtyard.
2. One had a really annoying and loud voice. Later somebody was groping her in the corridor on the way to the loo for quite a long time. I wondered if I should say something.
3. The back wall is plastered with pictures of naked breasts. My two companions were showing cleavage. It really was cleavage corner.
4. The bowls really do resemble a urinal with one side higher than another.
5. The urinal really is bowl shape, has a small line drawing of a head in it. I’ve seen something similar at the Red Hill Microbrewery. While the drawing is good for aim don’t wear light trousers because the design flaw is you will get splashback.
6. The food was a bit out of whack (in our three opinions) in it’s combining of the flavours and textures as I mentioned. Excuse me for my brevity.
7 Longrain is much better but has much wider tables. I liked the width of these tables.
8 I probably should have mentioned the cocktails are on the sweet side.
9 There was a bit of a language issue.
There, I’ve given you the same information in a much more boring less entertaining form. Would you like to address any of the above points?
I read this very entertaining post with much interest especially since you were quite strong with your criticisms & witticisms. Firstly, good on you for posting what you thought when so many out there are too timid to step out from the shadows.
I was a bit anxious for you though at the same time because you have clearly drawn a line in the sand & it will be difficult for that restaurant to get over this. Perhaps this is a clear step toward bona fide restaurant reviewing, you have to piss someone off before you are taken seriously? In this instance the comparisons to AA Gill are on the money.
Secondly, as to the point of the blog, it’s yours isn’t it? I didn’t know that your posts were always about forensically detailed restaurant analysis; I read it because it’s interesting & often humorous.
Finally nothing gets the comment section buzzing like a good old posting that razzes everyone up & although it can sometimes get a bit nasty, it’s what blogging is all about.
Keep it up Ed, it’s your opinion & you have a right to express it as you see fit.
Gobbler, thanks for the support. I think the restaurant will very easily get over this as it is brilliantly positioned for after work foot traffic. I want to write something interesting and humurous that got across the vibe and naturaly sometimes I may polarize people. I gather that the income ratio for a restaurant is 60 food/40 booze. This place is in the food pub category I suspect where it would be at least 60 booze (more perhaps)/40 food. With that in mind I’m interested how many readers of this blog have been refused alcohol while blind drunk. It seems to me that the makers of alcohol get all the flak on responsible drinking. The distributors (bars etc) take all the courses, put up the apprpriate signage but are designing venues to make money from drinking sessions.
On a personal level, I like:
Ed’s writing voice
Ed’s Sense of Humour (all wit needs to be taken with a grain of salt)
Ed’s lack of timidity in his posts
Lateral thinking that draws abstract yet effective parallels
That Ed does his homework before writing
I find blogs are an interesting insight into people’s observations. They are entertaining. But until I have experienced the same, I reserve my judgement. After all it is but one opinion on one occasion – no?
If we strive to move the world forward, we have to encourage free thinking which breaks out of the box and tests boundaries. Effective and frank reportage is bound to draw the ire of some, that is the risk that is taken by the adventurous and committed Writer.
To some degree this kind of notoriety can manifest professional success in the media, as in the case of Antony Bourdain and other out-spoken commentators.
Love it or hate it, Ed’s posts shine out from the blandness of much online content. For that I don’t believe that he should be censured, but rather serve to inspire more creativity with the written word.
Interesting and humourous, I doubt it. I personally found it to be a vulgar, ill conceived and self indulgent. It’s a biggoted small minded view you have to think you have the right to expect a Chinese waiter to deliver you exquisite english language skills. No doubt when the conversation broke down you helped him out with your fluent Cantonese Ed? Or was it Mandarin? 0/10
Sarah, As someone with Asian heritage, I do not find Ed bigoted. Rather I understood the context of his words as to mean that it is a poor paradigm to have an Occidental with not so exceptional Oriental cooking skills heading a kitchen serving Asian food, while Asians with mediocre front of house skills have been hired as waitstaff, perhaps to add to the Oriental theming of the venue. His conclusion is that it adds up to a less than sensational result. Lateral thinking, not racism.
Phew! It’s not just hot in the kitchen but outside too. Sticky thanks for coming to the rescue.
Sarah, I wouldn’t say I’m small minded or bigoted. But I am a snob.
Ed, I said that *I* think food should be at the fore (though of course not the sole focus), so just like you, I was expressing an opinion. I also think it’s entirely possible to write a brief, humorous review without heaps of detail. What I have an issue with is a review which uses a variety of techniques to create a negative impression, regardless of how relevant the elements are. No-one else knows about the bosoms of your companions. What you ate is unclear. Some readers might think you’re making a connection between professional competence (serving of alcohol), language problems or ethnicity and quality of employee (‘drag in’) (though I agree it’s probably just an unfortunate choice of words). And the urinal meme easily carries more connotations than just the shape of the bowls – your post title (Urinal restaurant. Shit bar.) strongly evokes an image that the place is completely crap (if you’ll excuse my mixed excrement). Maybe the crowd who were there on that night were representative of the clientele, though for me the article looked like it was conjecture; you clarified above.
As I wrote earlier, if someone did something similar when writing about foodblogs, you wouldn’t have a bar of it.
It would seem I’m a minority in my reservations, and am happy to acknowledge that and leave it there. And I’m glad to know I share your dislike for the stupidly wide tables at Longrain.
Duncan, glad to have a robust discussion which is part of what I am for.
Robust discussion indeed. More planning & articulative skills have gone into the comments than into the original 2 posts.
Ed, you may call yourself a snob, but I bet your mother thinks your a very naughty boy
Grocer, hahaha, you’d be surprised how many times I get called Tanh, or Fan, or Tharn or Tan etc.
Sticky, I agree with you that it is only one person’s opinion, so we should reserve full judgement until experiencing ourselves.
Duncan, I too agree that food should be at the fore of a food review. It can contain lots of other things around it making it funny, poignant, whatever. But there always needs to be some focus on the food.
Ed, I have to say that when I first read your review, I really don’t know anything about what food is served at this place. I found the review funny with all these other references and hence like Sticky, I love reading your blog. But as a review, it wasn’t entirely helpful if I really wanted to go eat there. I’ve never been to Longrain so cannot compare to them.
Andrew, I can asure you no planing went into the comments and my Mother just hopes I phone or visit one day this year.
Thanh, the subtext is chose Longrain.
Andrew gave me an idea about thinking before commenting. To everyone who wants to know whether to eat at Rice Spice – the answer, and I’m afraid this is post modern, is in the subtext.