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	<title>Comments on: Eating vegetarian on the range</title>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/06/eating-on-the-range/comment-page-1/#comment-33278</link>
		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other than people who don&#039;t want to hurt things with eyes and I suppose, a nervous system, I don&#039;t see the point of vegetarianism. There is no doubt humans evolved eating meat and no one refuted Sam Neill when he said that our brains current size is due to our ancestors eating meat and if that is true, don&#039;t we owe it to future generations to eat it? If you are talking about eating less meat, okay, I&#039;m on board. However, if nature intended our species to eat meat, then isn&#039;t being a vegetarian unnatural and only possible because of the way we have evolved?

Just a quick word about any inherent cruelty in eating animals. Mankind is the only species on the planet that takes any care about the way we slaughter other animals to minimize their pain and distress. But anyway, in the end, death is death, vegetarians kill things to survive too, no one has anything to feel guilty about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other than people who don&#8217;t want to hurt things with eyes and I suppose, a nervous system, I don&#8217;t see the point of vegetarianism. There is no doubt humans evolved eating meat and no one refuted Sam Neill when he said that our brains current size is due to our ancestors eating meat and if that is true, don&#8217;t we owe it to future generations to eat it? If you are talking about eating less meat, okay, I&#8217;m on board. However, if nature intended our species to eat meat, then isn&#8217;t being a vegetarian unnatural and only possible because of the way we have evolved?</p>
<p>Just a quick word about any inherent cruelty in eating animals. Mankind is the only species on the planet that takes any care about the way we slaughter other animals to minimize their pain and distress. But anyway, in the end, death is death, vegetarians kill things to survive too, no one has anything to feel guilty about.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/06/eating-on-the-range/comment-page-1/#comment-33249</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucy, the main difficulty is times like 1am friday evening when everybody else is smoking outside the Dogs Bar and I&#039;m not. Or there&#039;s the fact that I live with somebody who insists on smoking inside the house and when we go out to dinner keeps going outside to smoke leaving me on my own looking like a right lemon.

Neil, Funnily enough I have a dodgy toe although thankfully mine in just worn out. I&#039;d like to se AOG get you to give up pork or goose fat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy, the main difficulty is times like 1am friday evening when everybody else is smoking outside the Dogs Bar and I&#8217;m not. Or there&#8217;s the fact that I live with somebody who insists on smoking inside the house and when we go out to dinner keeps going outside to smoke leaving me on my own looking like a right lemon.</p>
<p>Neil, Funnily enough I have a dodgy toe although thankfully mine in just worn out. I&#8217;d like to se AOG get you to give up pork or goose fat.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/06/eating-on-the-range/comment-page-1/#comment-33198</link>
		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stick with giving up the fags. A mate of mine has been in real agony for the past 4 months and has just been diagnosed with Buegers disease in his toe. Apparently, they slice off a bit and wait, then off comes a bit more and so on. Once it reaches your hip...

Apparently, those warnings on the cigarette packets are true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stick with giving up the fags. A mate of mine has been in real agony for the past 4 months and has just been diagnosed with Buegers disease in his toe. Apparently, they slice off a bit and wait, then off comes a bit more and so on. Once it reaches your hip&#8230;</p>
<p>Apparently, those warnings on the cigarette packets are true.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/06/eating-on-the-range/comment-page-1/#comment-33189</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Ed...I feel for you. I REALLY do. 

Hardest thing I ever did, giving them up. I used to eat oranges, cut into wedges, in the afternoons when I wanted to smoke soooo badly. It does help. A little. 

Good luck. Crossing all I can for you. Life without &#039;em, seven years now, is good, very good, but it&#039;s not an easy task!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Ed&#8230;I feel for you. I REALLY do. </p>
<p>Hardest thing I ever did, giving them up. I used to eat oranges, cut into wedges, in the afternoons when I wanted to smoke soooo badly. It does help. A little. </p>
<p>Good luck. Crossing all I can for you. Life without &#8216;em, seven years now, is good, very good, but it&#8217;s not an easy task!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/06/eating-on-the-range/comment-page-1/#comment-33185</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AOF, I&#039;m tackling one thing at a time and fags are the priority right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AOF, I&#8217;m tackling one thing at a time and fags are the priority right now.</p>
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		<title>By: another outspoken female</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/06/eating-on-the-range/comment-page-1/#comment-33114</link>
		<dc:creator>another outspoken female</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m feeling like am talking at cross-purposes here.  But it turns out there is synchronicity afoot.  

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/food/story/0,,2286171,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m feeling like am talking at cross-purposes here.  But it turns out there is synchronicity afoot.  </p>
<p><a href="http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/food/story/0,,2286171,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/food/story/0,,2286171,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: grocer</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/06/eating-on-the-range/comment-page-1/#comment-33065</link>
		<dc:creator>grocer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hear hear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hear hear!</p>
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		<title>By: stickyfingers</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/06/eating-on-the-range/comment-page-1/#comment-33038</link>
		<dc:creator>stickyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AOF - I&#039;m sure your challenge will be fascinating to watch. I find it curious though that those who eschew various foods complain that they have no choice when dining out. After all - allergies not withstanding - a prescribed abstinence from certain foods has been their choice to break from the norm. It is as though they do not comprehend that targeting the minority of diners is not fiscally viable for most venues.

For me, forsaking the items others avoid for health or various idiosyncratic reasons would likely leave me in a coma. I am an omnivore both for health reasons and as a matter of taste. I can&#039;t ignore the fact that man has survived and evolved by taking sustenance from a variety of sources, but I do hold to not overly tampering with foodstuffs in the high turn over commercial manner, so as to retain the nutritional value.

To Ed&#039;s point in his manifesto, here in Australia meat is the focus of the plate and it is time to change this. There was a time here when meat was cheap and abundant, with much less variety in terms of vegetables. At that time, Aussies leading a life that required higher amounts of daily physical exertion thrived on big serves of meat and the grand tradition of consuming baked items and sweets. Nowadays we are sedentary and simply need to place more focus on pulses, greens and fruit, while reducing the size of our meat and fish portions, along with cakes and dessert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AOF &#8211; I&#8217;m sure your challenge will be fascinating to watch. I find it curious though that those who eschew various foods complain that they have no choice when dining out. After all &#8211; allergies not withstanding &#8211; a prescribed abstinence from certain foods has been their choice to break from the norm. It is as though they do not comprehend that targeting the minority of diners is not fiscally viable for most venues.</p>
<p>For me, forsaking the items others avoid for health or various idiosyncratic reasons would likely leave me in a coma. I am an omnivore both for health reasons and as a matter of taste. I can&#8217;t ignore the fact that man has survived and evolved by taking sustenance from a variety of sources, but I do hold to not overly tampering with foodstuffs in the high turn over commercial manner, so as to retain the nutritional value.</p>
<p>To Ed&#8217;s point in his manifesto, here in Australia meat is the focus of the plate and it is time to change this. There was a time here when meat was cheap and abundant, with much less variety in terms of vegetables. At that time, Aussies leading a life that required higher amounts of daily physical exertion thrived on big serves of meat and the grand tradition of consuming baked items and sweets. Nowadays we are sedentary and simply need to place more focus on pulses, greens and fruit, while reducing the size of our meat and fish portions, along with cakes and dessert.</p>
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		<title>By: another outspoken female</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/06/eating-on-the-range/comment-page-1/#comment-32981</link>
		<dc:creator>another outspoken female</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ed - I&#039;m not attacking your lifestyle or choice - more about acknowledging that it got me off on a tangent.  As I have stated in my blog - it isn&#039;t about taking a high moral ground it is just that I am challenging people to eat differently for a week.  This is from the perspective of food allergies and health issues which lead people down a different path dining wise.  

Re: Your featured restaurant, I&#039;d disagree that a couple of dishes that are meat free equals a great choice for vegetarians.  To see what I mean, that is why I suggested you try living and eating out as a vego for a week (I agree being a vegan takes a heap of commitment but considering you think that the (easier) vegetarian eating options have improved in city and country I just wondered what it would be like from a carnivores perspective to make different choices for 7 days.

No sweat, just an idea open to one and all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ed &#8211; I&#8217;m not attacking your lifestyle or choice &#8211; more about acknowledging that it got me off on a tangent.  As I have stated in my blog &#8211; it isn&#8217;t about taking a high moral ground it is just that I am challenging people to eat differently for a week.  This is from the perspective of food allergies and health issues which lead people down a different path dining wise.  </p>
<p>Re: Your featured restaurant, I&#8217;d disagree that a couple of dishes that are meat free equals a great choice for vegetarians.  To see what I mean, that is why I suggested you try living and eating out as a vego for a week (I agree being a vegan takes a heap of commitment but considering you think that the (easier) vegetarian eating options have improved in city and country I just wondered what it would be like from a carnivores perspective to make different choices for 7 days.</p>
<p>No sweat, just an idea open to one and all</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/06/eating-on-the-range/comment-page-1/#comment-32979</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AOF, I&#039;m not going to do vegan because it is pointless as I&#039;d only be doing it cosmetically and would be ignoring the political message as virtually every day I wear items of clothing made from dead animals. I believe I&#039;m an omnivore and am not going to change that.

My point and headlines was just to point out that you could eat quite well vegetarian in the region and it surprised me. I didn&#039;t eat the Pork.

This is typical, of my eating at home especially if I&#039;m busy:
Tea with milk
Breakfast - grapefruit followed by porridge w milk. (or home made muesli w Goats yoghurt and stewed rhubarb w goats yoghurt) No sugar. Perhaps sourdough with honey.
Espresso. no sugar
Apple. handful of almonds/walnuts. Water
Greentea
Lunch: dahl and ginger rice (Bala&#039;s) or Sandwich (leftover chicken w avocado or just cheese) or salad. Water.
Apple/orange. Nuts. Greentea
Water
Supper: Out 3-4 times a week.
In: typical roasted beetroots and knob-shaped carrots dressed with sherry vinegar and walnut oil. Walnuts. Salad leaves. Goats cheese. Pudding: fruit.
Sunday: Roast chicken plus loads of veggies
Wine: T&#039;Gallant Octavius - totally unfiltered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AOF, I&#8217;m not going to do vegan because it is pointless as I&#8217;d only be doing it cosmetically and would be ignoring the political message as virtually every day I wear items of clothing made from dead animals. I believe I&#8217;m an omnivore and am not going to change that.</p>
<p>My point and headlines was just to point out that you could eat quite well vegetarian in the region and it surprised me. I didn&#8217;t eat the Pork.</p>
<p>This is typical, of my eating at home especially if I&#8217;m busy:<br />
Tea with milk<br />
Breakfast &#8211; grapefruit followed by porridge w milk. (or home made muesli w Goats yoghurt and stewed rhubarb w goats yoghurt) No sugar. Perhaps sourdough with honey.<br />
Espresso. no sugar<br />
Apple. handful of almonds/walnuts. Water<br />
Greentea<br />
Lunch: dahl and ginger rice (Bala&#8217;s) or Sandwich (leftover chicken w avocado or just cheese) or salad. Water.<br />
Apple/orange. Nuts. Greentea<br />
Water<br />
Supper: Out 3-4 times a week.<br />
In: typical roasted beetroots and knob-shaped carrots dressed with sherry vinegar and walnut oil. Walnuts. Salad leaves. Goats cheese. Pudding: fruit.<br />
Sunday: Roast chicken plus loads of veggies<br />
Wine: T&#8217;Gallant Octavius &#8211; totally unfiltered.</p>
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