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	<title>Comments on: Why I don&#8217;t review restaurants for social sites</title>
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		<title>By: kymbos</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/10/why-i-dont-review-restaurants-for-social-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-42962</link>
		<dc:creator>kymbos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news, Ed.  Some of us need expert guidance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news, Ed.  Some of us need expert guidance.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/10/why-i-dont-review-restaurants-for-social-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-42817</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kymbos, Ive a huge backlog because I&#039;ve been busy but I will. There will probably be a few less reviews though as the downturn means I can&#039;t afford to do as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kymbos, Ive a huge backlog because I&#8217;ve been busy but I will. There will probably be a few less reviews though as the downturn means I can&#8217;t afford to do as much.</p>
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		<title>By: kymbos</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/10/why-i-dont-review-restaurants-for-social-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-42816</link>
		<dc:creator>kymbos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Ed, are you going to get back to reviewing Melbourne restaurants on your own site?  It&#039;s been a while between courses...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Ed, are you going to get back to reviewing Melbourne restaurants on your own site?  It&#8217;s been a while between courses&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/10/why-i-dont-review-restaurants-for-social-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-42608</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of us are wise to big corporates wanted user generated content. But I don&#039;t see any problem with commenting on or using sites with decent content. I must admit I haven&#039;t been to Sticky&#039;s forums much as I tend to concentrate on blogs rather than forums. Interestingly the new variation on Wordpress coming out at the year end will facilitate much more forum like activity on blogs.
Sticky, did you see in The Australian&#039;s media section today that a media planer would usuallybe expected to plan about $4.5m in a year but online is so much more labour intensive that they can only manage $1. That&#039;s their excuse for trying to take a 20% cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of us are wise to big corporates wanted user generated content. But I don&#8217;t see any problem with commenting on or using sites with decent content. I must admit I haven&#8217;t been to Sticky&#8217;s forums much as I tend to concentrate on blogs rather than forums. Interestingly the new variation on WordPress coming out at the year end will facilitate much more forum like activity on blogs.<br />
Sticky, did you see in The Australian&#8217;s media section today that a media planer would usuallybe expected to plan about $4.5m in a year but online is so much more labour intensive that they can only manage $1. That&#8217;s their excuse for trying to take a 20% cut.</p>
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		<title>By: Fitzroyalty</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/10/why-i-dont-review-restaurants-for-social-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-42445</link>
		<dc:creator>Fitzroyalty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hosting is cheap now, so is domain reg, so I find it best to go your own way. I think if you&#039;re focused enough on your niche you&#039;re too small to be able to make advertising your business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hosting is cheap now, so is domain reg, so I find it best to go your own way. I think if you&#8217;re focused enough on your niche you&#8217;re too small to be able to make advertising your business model.</p>
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		<title>By: Stcikyfingers</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/10/why-i-dont-review-restaurants-for-social-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-42400</link>
		<dc:creator>Stcikyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I allow my content to feature on FoodBuzz and so far I have received over US$200 in remuneration during their Beta period. I do not write reviews for them, rank restaurants or engage in the social media aspect of the site. I do respond  however when participants comment on one of my posts there. 

I think that online there are various forms of food oriented users. Amongst them are the passive readers, the forum buffs and the opinionated - like myself - who invariably graduate to writing their own blogs from participating in food forums or from commenting on blogs. But most people neither have the time or the inclination to blog. Of those some will happily contribute a paragraph to a site such as Your Restaurants on the odd occasion. 

It&#039;s understandable that Bloggers are cagey about their content and so they should be. In my day job I have been hearing Advertisers getting excited about online Ambassador Programs, where they harvest blog content under the guise of inviting Bloggers to advise their readers. Quite frankly my tongue is blue from discouraging this kind of notion. I have also been throwing the wet blanket over any suggestion of any antics resembling sock-puppetry.

This is coming about because Marketing Executives are now diverting their funds to online marketing, but don&#039;t know how to use the medium effectively. Aussie advertising agencies lag behind in their knowledge of the media and consequently are left open to funding online entrepreneurs who see they can earn a fast buck from advertising by scraping other people&#039;s content.

PG and I recently started SOLE Mama, in good faith as a not-for-profit project. Our sites are a free hosted blog/website and a forum, but we have discovered that the sad thing about &#039;FREE&#039; is that we are saddled with inappropriate advertising which has no synergy with our message. So if we are to be rid of this, we are probably going to find a sponsor who shares our philosophy to pay for hosting design etc. In this instance there could be a meeting of minds between advertisers and contributors where remuneration for contributors could be involved. I just need to find the time to build the business model.

Anyone have any suggestions for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I allow my content to feature on FoodBuzz and so far I have received over US$200 in remuneration during their Beta period. I do not write reviews for them, rank restaurants or engage in the social media aspect of the site. I do respond  however when participants comment on one of my posts there. </p>
<p>I think that online there are various forms of food oriented users. Amongst them are the passive readers, the forum buffs and the opinionated &#8211; like myself &#8211; who invariably graduate to writing their own blogs from participating in food forums or from commenting on blogs. But most people neither have the time or the inclination to blog. Of those some will happily contribute a paragraph to a site such as Your Restaurants on the odd occasion. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s understandable that Bloggers are cagey about their content and so they should be. In my day job I have been hearing Advertisers getting excited about online Ambassador Programs, where they harvest blog content under the guise of inviting Bloggers to advise their readers. Quite frankly my tongue is blue from discouraging this kind of notion. I have also been throwing the wet blanket over any suggestion of any antics resembling sock-puppetry.</p>
<p>This is coming about because Marketing Executives are now diverting their funds to online marketing, but don&#8217;t know how to use the medium effectively. Aussie advertising agencies lag behind in their knowledge of the media and consequently are left open to funding online entrepreneurs who see they can earn a fast buck from advertising by scraping other people&#8217;s content.</p>
<p>PG and I recently started SOLE Mama, in good faith as a not-for-profit project. Our sites are a free hosted blog/website and a forum, but we have discovered that the sad thing about &#8216;FREE&#8217; is that we are saddled with inappropriate advertising which has no synergy with our message. So if we are to be rid of this, we are probably going to find a sponsor who shares our philosophy to pay for hosting design etc. In this instance there could be a meeting of minds between advertisers and contributors where remuneration for contributors could be involved. I just need to find the time to build the business model.</p>
<p>Anyone have any suggestions for that?</p>
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		<title>By: Fitzroyalty</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/10/why-i-dont-review-restaurants-for-social-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-42392</link>
		<dc:creator>Fitzroyalty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I can&#039;t work out is are they dumb enough to think people will write for them for nothing, or are they smart enough to think people will write for them for nothing? You get what you pay for. Still, I&#039;m yet to see a coherent business model from any of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I can&#8217;t work out is are they dumb enough to think people will write for them for nothing, or are they smart enough to think people will write for them for nothing? You get what you pay for. Still, I&#8217;m yet to see a coherent business model from any of them!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/10/why-i-dont-review-restaurants-for-social-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-42382</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Local wanted me to run a competition most recently.  But there have been many over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Local wanted me to run a competition most recently.  But there have been many over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan &#124; Syrup&#38;Tang</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/10/why-i-dont-review-restaurants-for-social-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-42381</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan &#124; Syrup&#38;Tang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Fitzroyalty has a lot to say! ;)

So which site approached you most recently Ed? Given that some Melbourne foodbloggers do permit their content to be featured on those types of sites (unremunerated?), and someone has even offered cash incentives to bloggers to join their review site, it&#039;s a very interesting issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Fitzroyalty has a lot to say! <img src='http://www.tomatom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So which site approached you most recently Ed? Given that some Melbourne foodbloggers do permit their content to be featured on those types of sites (unremunerated?), and someone has even offered cash incentives to bloggers to join their review site, it&#8217;s a very interesting issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Fitzroyalty</title>
		<link>http://www.tomatom.com/2008/10/why-i-dont-review-restaurants-for-social-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-42375</link>
		<dc:creator>Fitzroyalty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been writing about this topic for some time now and agree with you - why help build someone else&#039;s media empire? See my posts &lt;a href=&quot;http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/05/16/aggregation-assimilation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;aggregation = assimilation&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/05/17/the-value-of-user-generated-content/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the value of user generated content&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/05/18/motivation-and-incentives-for-content-creation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;motivation and incentives for content creation&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/02/09/why-should-i-help-you-build-your-media-empire/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why should I help you build your media empire?&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/02/06/hyperlocal-startups-all-take-and-no-give/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hyperlocal startups - all take and no give&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/01/30/whats-for-dinner/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what’s for dinner?&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been writing about this topic for some time now and agree with you &#8211; why help build someone else&#8217;s media empire? See my posts <a href="http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/05/16/aggregation-assimilation/" rel="nofollow">aggregation = assimilation</a>, <a href="http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/05/17/the-value-of-user-generated-content/" rel="nofollow">the value of user generated content</a>, <a href="http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/05/18/motivation-and-incentives-for-content-creation/" rel="nofollow">motivation and incentives for content creation</a>, <a href="http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/02/09/why-should-i-help-you-build-your-media-empire/" rel="nofollow">Why should I help you build your media empire?</a>, <a href="http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/02/06/hyperlocal-startups-all-take-and-no-give/" rel="nofollow">hyperlocal startups &#8211; all take and no give</a> and <a href="http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2008/01/30/whats-for-dinner/" rel="nofollow">what’s for dinner?</a>.</p>
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