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		<title>By: Twitter Trackbacks for Sorry about the spam. Others who may have taken our mailing list please take note [tomatom.com] on Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sorry about the spam. Others who may have taken our mailing list please take note  www.tomatom.com/2009/05/sorry-about-the-spam-others-would-may-have-taken-our-mailing-list-please-take-note &#8211; view page &#8211; cached  Some bloggers want to receive press releases, samples and invites. Others don&#039;t. What is annoying to everybody is when they receive mass mailings and &#8212; From the page [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sorry about the spam. Others who may have taken our mailing list please take note  <a href="http://www.tomatom.com/2009/05/sorry-about-the-spam-others-would-may-have-taken-our-mailing-list-please-take-note" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomatom.com/2009/05/sorry-about-the-spam-others-would-may-have-taken-our-mailing-list-please-take-note</a> &ndash; view page &ndash; cached  Some bloggers want to receive press releases, samples and invites. Others don&#39;t. What is annoying to everybody is when they receive mass mailings and &mdash; From the page [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Hunty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Hunty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 20:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Phil doesn&#039;t get randomly signed up to a load of porn sites by anyone.   Can&#039;t say I am surprised by his attitude though, media, PR, car salesmen, politicians.  Duplicitous arses not to be trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Phil doesn&#8217;t get randomly signed up to a load of porn sites by anyone.   Can&#8217;t say I am surprised by his attitude though, media, PR, car salesmen, politicians.  Duplicitous arses not to be trusted.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 10:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: journalists and bloggers. I do know that a lot (most?) journalism is media release-driven. But I don&#039;t know that the distinction between bloggers and journalism is that great - in food blogging, at least (as opposed to simply personal blogging, for e.g.) Food blogging is citizen journalism - reviewing restaurants (previously a print-media domain), sharing (and thus reviewing) particular recipes... it invites response, interaction and debate in the same way that print journalism does. And although anonymity might be more prevalent on the net, there is still a byline - the name of the website (and in many cases, the actual author). It&#039;s true that the rules of engagement for bloggers, journalists, pr agencies and other outlets (restaurants, food companies, publishers, etc) are changing, and we&#039;re still defining those rules. That&#039;s what makes this conversation so interesting... 

This is the perfect topic for a bloggers&#039; conference... interesting, relevant, not obvious, something for new and experienced blogger alike to think about... Get a couple more topics like that and you can get some really fascinating debate (and thus conference) going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: journalists and bloggers. I do know that a lot (most?) journalism is media release-driven. But I don&#8217;t know that the distinction between bloggers and journalism is that great &#8211; in food blogging, at least (as opposed to simply personal blogging, for e.g.) Food blogging is citizen journalism &#8211; reviewing restaurants (previously a print-media domain), sharing (and thus reviewing) particular recipes&#8230; it invites response, interaction and debate in the same way that print journalism does. And although anonymity might be more prevalent on the net, there is still a byline &#8211; the name of the website (and in many cases, the actual author). It&#8217;s true that the rules of engagement for bloggers, journalists, pr agencies and other outlets (restaurants, food companies, publishers, etc) are changing, and we&#8217;re still defining those rules. That&#8217;s what makes this conversation so interesting&#8230; </p>
<p>This is the perfect topic for a bloggers&#8217; conference&#8230; interesting, relevant, not obvious, something for new and experienced blogger alike to think about&#8230; Get a couple more topics like that and you can get some really fascinating debate (and thus conference) going.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry Heaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry Heaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 06:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a topic for discussion at the Bloggers Conference!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a topic for discussion at the Bloggers Conference!</p>
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		<title>By: stickyfingers</title>
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		<dc:creator>stickyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 04:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see this discussion from multiple angles. Some of the hats buried in my dress up box are blogger, writer, ad man, marketer. 

In the last couple of years advertisers have been bombarded with the news that online is the future - over press, radio and TV - as that is where they&#039;ll effectively reach their target market. While that increasingly is becoming the reality with younger/ internet savvy USA &amp; UK audiences - where money flows more freely in marketing circles - we&#039;re a generation behind in Australia.

Our angle here is that anyone, even with a limited budget, can get bang for buck by targeting bloggers, facebook or by using Twitter (often inappropriately). As a consequence there has been a rise in spam, commercial trolls, content scraping and sock puppetry in an effort to get bloggers to advertise products, events and venues via reviews. There have also been sites set up to attract advertising dollars by using blogger content, but with no remuneration to the blogger . 

It has fallen to PRs to organise this with small digital teams as Ad Agencies currently don&#039;t have enough savvy or resources to manage social networks as part of their ongoing strategies. The PRs don&#039;t necessarily have the knowledge base either but are happy to have a way to extend their services, but sadly it&#039;s still managed poorly.

My concern is that bloggers should be remunerated for advertising anything. Most are happy with a freebie, but as they say, nothing&#039;s really for free. A simple analogy: If you were given a bottle of Pomegranate Molasses by a marketer, would you take it if they insisted on putting a large advertising hoarding in your front yard? If not, why then inflict a promoted product on your regular blog readers if you&#039;re not being paid to do it? Perhaps this is not considered as blogs in general are not structured around goals, themes or targets in the manner of a formal publication?

I suggested on the Australian Food Bloggers Conference forum that bloggers should have a list that they can opt into. I truly believe that there should be lists of &#039;floggers&#039; available to marketers. At present, a company that is charged with online promotion will look for any means to acquire contact information. With short deadlines and limited man hours, the quickest route might be to be unscrupulous, hence the topic of this post. 

An opt in list may alleviate some of the current bad behaviour and it would allow advertisers to wash the data, allowing them to speak to the right people who have synergy with the product/venue etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see this discussion from multiple angles. Some of the hats buried in my dress up box are blogger, writer, ad man, marketer. </p>
<p>In the last couple of years advertisers have been bombarded with the news that online is the future &#8211; over press, radio and TV &#8211; as that is where they&#8217;ll effectively reach their target market. While that increasingly is becoming the reality with younger/ internet savvy USA &amp; UK audiences &#8211; where money flows more freely in marketing circles &#8211; we&#8217;re a generation behind in Australia.</p>
<p>Our angle here is that anyone, even with a limited budget, can get bang for buck by targeting bloggers, facebook or by using Twitter (often inappropriately). As a consequence there has been a rise in spam, commercial trolls, content scraping and sock puppetry in an effort to get bloggers to advertise products, events and venues via reviews. There have also been sites set up to attract advertising dollars by using blogger content, but with no remuneration to the blogger . </p>
<p>It has fallen to PRs to organise this with small digital teams as Ad Agencies currently don&#8217;t have enough savvy or resources to manage social networks as part of their ongoing strategies. The PRs don&#8217;t necessarily have the knowledge base either but are happy to have a way to extend their services, but sadly it&#8217;s still managed poorly.</p>
<p>My concern is that bloggers should be remunerated for advertising anything. Most are happy with a freebie, but as they say, nothing&#8217;s really for free. A simple analogy: If you were given a bottle of Pomegranate Molasses by a marketer, would you take it if they insisted on putting a large advertising hoarding in your front yard? If not, why then inflict a promoted product on your regular blog readers if you&#8217;re not being paid to do it? Perhaps this is not considered as blogs in general are not structured around goals, themes or targets in the manner of a formal publication?</p>
<p>I suggested on the Australian Food Bloggers Conference forum that bloggers should have a list that they can opt into. I truly believe that there should be lists of &#8216;floggers&#8217; available to marketers. At present, a company that is charged with online promotion will look for any means to acquire contact information. With short deadlines and limited man hours, the quickest route might be to be unscrupulous, hence the topic of this post. </p>
<p>An opt in list may alleviate some of the current bad behaviour and it would allow advertisers to wash the data, allowing them to speak to the right people who have synergy with the product/venue etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 23:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil
The job of PR - as opposed to plain old publicity-is to create a positive environment for their clients. Pissing people off is an instant fail. And while journalists doesn&#039;t have the luxury of returning fire the blogger way but there is plenty of word of mouth and each has their own shit list. When I write stories I try to be even handed but there are a few PRs/companies who will never ever get a call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil<br />
The job of PR &#8211; as opposed to plain old publicity-is to create a positive environment for their clients. Pissing people off is an instant fail. And while journalists doesn&#8217;t have the luxury of returning fire the blogger way but there is plenty of word of mouth and each has their own shit list. When I write stories I try to be even handed but there are a few PRs/companies who will never ever get a call.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Lees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Lees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In some ways, bloggers are better armed to deal with PR idiocy because we own our own publishing platform - it&#039;s pretty easy for bloggers to create utter mayhem for a PR company on a whim, which is why the smarter PR folk approach bloggers with care. Journalists can&#039;t use their publication to return fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some ways, bloggers are better armed to deal with PR idiocy because we own our own publishing platform &#8211; it&#8217;s pretty easy for bloggers to create utter mayhem for a PR company on a whim, which is why the smarter PR folk approach bloggers with care. Journalists can&#8217;t use their publication to return fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 12:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,
And let&#039;s not forget all those emails from people who want our content for free without even telling us who owns their site and who they are.

There is a great debate going on about how shit some PR people are just in dealing with journalists so what hope there is for bloggers I have no idea.

Check out Mumbrella for a summary here:

http://mumbrella.com.au/prs-versus-journalists-back-in-focus-5183</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,<br />
And let&#8217;s not forget all those emails from people who want our content for free without even telling us who owns their site and who they are.</p>
<p>There is a great debate going on about how shit some PR people are just in dealing with journalists so what hope there is for bloggers I have no idea.</p>
<p>Check out Mumbrella for a summary here:</p>
<p><a href="http://mumbrella.com.au/prs-versus-journalists-back-in-focus-5183" rel="nofollow">http://mumbrella.com.au/prs-versus-journalists-back-in-focus-5183</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil Lees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Lees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 12:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting about 20 PR emails a day - although like Ed, these are mostly from US and European companies who somehow think that I have a passing interest in their processed shite. The Bella PR one was one of the first from an Australian PR company. It does make me wonder, are these local PR companies doing the same thing to full-time, waged journalists? Maybe this sort of thing works to get your unedited release republished in mX.

For all untargeted PR email, I just sort anything from their domain into my spam box, unless they use both my name and the name of my site somewhere in the text of the email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting about 20 PR emails a day &#8211; although like Ed, these are mostly from US and European companies who somehow think that I have a passing interest in their processed shite. The Bella PR one was one of the first from an Australian PR company. It does make me wonder, are these local PR companies doing the same thing to full-time, waged journalists? Maybe this sort of thing works to get your unedited release republished in mX.</p>
<p>For all untargeted PR email, I just sort anything from their domain into my spam box, unless they use both my name and the name of my site somewhere in the text of the email.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 12:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SJ, That is interesting and really useful. I&#039;m just thinking what does the conspicuous publishing of an email address mean. Can people sidestep this with a contact form? I&#039;m guessing they can.

Lisa, I suppose because I&#039;m a journalist I make a distinction. Blogs do tend to be a personal message but not in the genre of journalism. Journalism would perhaps rely on more research and draw from press releases and events for publication.
I think that is the charm of blogs that they are personal and not news agenda or publicity agenda driven. That doesn&#039;t mean the blogger shouldn&#039;t be targeted as an influencers by PRs as they indeed do target people outside the journalist sphere. I just think there are some different rules of etiquette as there are some subtle differences and blogs don&#039;t run the same Pr led agenda as news. And believe me, you would not believe ho much news is PR driven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ, That is interesting and really useful. I&#8217;m just thinking what does the conspicuous publishing of an email address mean. Can people sidestep this with a contact form? I&#8217;m guessing they can.</p>
<p>Lisa, I suppose because I&#8217;m a journalist I make a distinction. Blogs do tend to be a personal message but not in the genre of journalism. Journalism would perhaps rely on more research and draw from press releases and events for publication.<br />
I think that is the charm of blogs that they are personal and not news agenda or publicity agenda driven. That doesn&#8217;t mean the blogger shouldn&#8217;t be targeted as an influencers by PRs as they indeed do target people outside the journalist sphere. I just think there are some different rules of etiquette as there are some subtle differences and blogs don&#8217;t run the same Pr led agenda as news. And believe me, you would not believe ho much news is PR driven.</p>
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